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	<description>Audacia Ray&#039;s Adventures in Smart Sex Culture</description>
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		<title>By: Waking Vixen &#187; 2007 In Review</title>
		<link>http://www.wakingvixen.audaciaray.com/2007/08/02/creepy-dudes/comment-page-1/#comment-35292</link>
		<dc:creator>Waking Vixen &#187; 2007 In Review</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Dec 2007 22:54:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Here&#8217;s a wrap-up of my best posts here on Waking Vixen: Sex worker, other and More thoughts on sex worker/other The State of Alt according to Vegas Serious Hunk of Man, and the Shades of Gray - includes a pic of me at 19, with short green hair and a leather jacket How to be an ally to sex workers Authenticity Sex workers, class divides and fun with empowerment and degradation As it turns out, the Internet isn&#8217;t the answer to everything Book vs. blog: where to stick all the juicy details How the media is more exploitative than the sex industry Creepy dudes The internet is not a virtual streetcorner Anniversaries: The Museum of Sex Seeing straight ahead: the porn industry&#8217;s sexuality blinders [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Here&#8217;s a wrap-up of my best posts here on Waking Vixen: Sex worker, other and More thoughts on sex worker/other The State of Alt according to Vegas Serious Hunk of Man, and the Shades of Gray &#8211; includes a pic of me at 19, with short green hair and a leather jacket How to be an ally to sex workers Authenticity Sex workers, class divides and fun with empowerment and degradation As it turns out, the Internet isn&#8217;t the answer to everything Book vs. blog: where to stick all the juicy details How the media is more exploitative than the sex industry Creepy dudes The internet is not a virtual streetcorner Anniversaries: The Museum of Sex Seeing straight ahead: the porn industry&#8217;s sexuality blinders [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jewbacchus</title>
		<link>http://www.wakingvixen.audaciaray.com/2007/08/02/creepy-dudes/comment-page-1/#comment-18134</link>
		<dc:creator>Jewbacchus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2007 03:53:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for this.</p>
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		<title>By: Seska</title>
		<link>http://www.wakingvixen.audaciaray.com/2007/08/02/creepy-dudes/comment-page-1/#comment-16110</link>
		<dc:creator>Seska</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 02:52:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not so sure about the looks comment. At one work related orgy there was a young good looking guy that none of us gals could stand to be close to, much less fuck. He was a jerk and pushy and rude. The older, fatter type men got way more action. It was about the manners, not the looks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not so sure about the looks comment. At one work related orgy there was a young good looking guy that none of us gals could stand to be close to, much less fuck. He was a jerk and pushy and rude. The older, fatter type men got way more action. It was about the manners, not the looks.</p>
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		<title>By: Iamcuriousblue</title>
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		<dc:creator>Iamcuriousblue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 03:52:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for this post, Audacia. Sorry I didn&#039;t make it out to any of your talks when you were in the Bay Area.

My own experience has been that the difference between &quot;cute boy&quot; and &quot;creep&quot; is about 10 or 15 years of aging. I&#039;m still pretty much in the same sexual mindset as I was at when I was in my 20s, unfortunately, its just not in as pretty of a package. Such is life.

Its not like I even expect us &quot;older&quot; folks to be regarded as attractive. (Hell, even I don&#039;t like my own aging.) Just don&#039;t expect me to have hung up my libido by 40.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this post, Audacia. Sorry I didn&#8217;t make it out to any of your talks when you were in the Bay Area.</p>
<p>My own experience has been that the difference between &#8220;cute boy&#8221; and &#8220;creep&#8221; is about 10 or 15 years of aging. I&#8217;m still pretty much in the same sexual mindset as I was at when I was in my 20s, unfortunately, its just not in as pretty of a package. Such is life.</p>
<p>Its not like I even expect us &#8220;older&#8221; folks to be regarded as attractive. (Hell, even I don&#8217;t like my own aging.) Just don&#8217;t expect me to have hung up my libido by 40.</p>
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		<title>By: timmy</title>
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		<dc:creator>timmy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2007 03:37:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hmmm...

from a guy who has gotten both dirty looks...and smiles. One thing I have always noticed, and women feel free to confirm. If a guy is attractive ala Brad Pitt/Clooney whatever he does in any context is almost always met with a welcoming gesture, a swoon, a giddy up and lets go.
It&#039;s not what you do, if you look good enough. It doesn&#039;t matter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hmmm&#8230;</p>
<p>from a guy who has gotten both dirty looks&#8230;and smiles. One thing I have always noticed, and women feel free to confirm. If a guy is attractive ala Brad Pitt/Clooney whatever he does in any context is almost always met with a welcoming gesture, a swoon, a giddy up and lets go.<br />
It&#8217;s not what you do, if you look good enough. It doesn&#8217;t matter.</p>
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		<title>By: Kate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 19:50:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Well, maybe because some really are and people tend to put labels based on the worst not the best.&quot;

I think this is endemic of all of society... it&#039;s prejudice which is so ingrained in everyone - woman, man, queer, straight, black, white, Hispanic, Asian, pink w/purple polka-dots - that often we don&#039;t even realize we are doing it.  I think that until we let go of some of these preconceived notions (such as: any man over 25 who is interested in sex is &quot;old&quot; or &quot;creepy&quot;) that the discussion on various topics (such as this) will always be stymied.

Anyhow.  Great post, lots to think about.
:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Well, maybe because some really are and people tend to put labels based on the worst not the best.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think this is endemic of all of society&#8230; it&#8217;s prejudice which is so ingrained in everyone &#8211; woman, man, queer, straight, black, white, Hispanic, Asian, pink w/purple polka-dots &#8211; that often we don&#8217;t even realize we are doing it.  I think that until we let go of some of these preconceived notions (such as: any man over 25 who is interested in sex is &#8220;old&#8221; or &#8220;creepy&#8221;) that the discussion on various topics (such as this) will always be stymied.</p>
<p>Anyhow.  Great post, lots to think about.<br />
:)</p>
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		<title>By: Being Amber Rhea &#187; Blog Archive &#187; links for 2007-08-07</title>
		<link>http://www.wakingvixen.audaciaray.com/2007/08/02/creepy-dudes/comment-page-1/#comment-15610</link>
		<dc:creator>Being Amber Rhea &#187; Blog Archive &#187; links for 2007-08-07</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 23:29:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Waking Vixen Ã‚Â» Creepy dudes &#8220;A guy who is interested in sex - whether actively pursuing it, fantasizing, or researching it - is not automatically creepy, and I really wish people would stop treating desire and curiosity as a gross or offensive thing.&#8221; (tags: society men women sexuality sex) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Waking Vixen Ã‚Â» Creepy dudes &#8220;A guy who is interested in sex &#8211; whether actively pursuing it, fantasizing, or researching it &#8211; is not automatically creepy, and I really wish people would stop treating desire and curiosity as a gross or offensive thing.&#8221; (tags: society men women sexuality sex) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Seska</title>
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		<dc:creator>Seska</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2007 21:13:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I definitely have dealt with inappropriate attention, advances, comments etc... from men at public events. There can be a creepy factor to some of them - usually those who are very shy and hover around me, but do not actually talk to me or who just try to touch my butt and then walk off. 

But for the most part, I think it is just a mix of social awkwardness and not knowing how to interact with someone in the sex industry, not knowing how to discuss sex publicly. Not a creepy thing or an old thing. Just a consequence of sexual shame and all that jazz. It is such a harsh judgment to not allow men to be curious, inquisitive and unsure about sexuality.

Dacia - About your example of the would be john. I have had many of those at my presentations on indie Internet porn. Men who think by creating porn they can pay for sex more legally. It is very interesting. I always see right through them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I definitely have dealt with inappropriate attention, advances, comments etc&#8230; from men at public events. There can be a creepy factor to some of them &#8211; usually those who are very shy and hover around me, but do not actually talk to me or who just try to touch my butt and then walk off. </p>
<p>But for the most part, I think it is just a mix of social awkwardness and not knowing how to interact with someone in the sex industry, not knowing how to discuss sex publicly. Not a creepy thing or an old thing. Just a consequence of sexual shame and all that jazz. It is such a harsh judgment to not allow men to be curious, inquisitive and unsure about sexuality.</p>
<p>Dacia &#8211; About your example of the would be john. I have had many of those at my presentations on indie Internet porn. Men who think by creating porn they can pay for sex more legally. It is very interesting. I always see right through them.</p>
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		<title>By: Jane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Aug 2007 19:31:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Why are men automatically assumed to be creepy just for showing interest in sex&quot;

Well, maybe because some really are and people tend to put labels based on the worst not the best.
That&#039;s the kindof thinking, especially in the sex industry we have to fight with, but it will take a really long time to change the way the majority think. Till that happens older men interested in sex will be called creepy, escorts will be called whores who will scam you from all your money and webcam chathosts will be called whores.
That&#039;s not nice. And with more people talking openly about the industry... That might change. I wish it did as soon as possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Why are men automatically assumed to be creepy just for showing interest in sex&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, maybe because some really are and people tend to put labels based on the worst not the best.<br />
That&#8217;s the kindof thinking, especially in the sex industry we have to fight with, but it will take a really long time to change the way the majority think. Till that happens older men interested in sex will be called creepy, escorts will be called whores who will scam you from all your money and webcam chathosts will be called whores.<br />
That&#8217;s not nice. And with more people talking openly about the industry&#8230; That might change. I wish it did as soon as possible.</p>
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		<title>By: jenni</title>
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		<dc:creator>jenni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Aug 2007 13:37:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was there and the guys were not creepy, at least not as far as I could tell. They asked good questions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was there and the guys were not creepy, at least not as far as I could tell. They asked good questions.</p>
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