Comments on: Feminist porn wars (new and improved!) (not really) http://www.wakingvixen.audaciaray.com/2007/11/09/feminist-porn-wars-new-and-improved-not-really/ Audacia Ray's Adventures in Smart Sex Culture Tue, 05 Jul 2011 18:01:43 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Arden http://www.wakingvixen.audaciaray.com/2007/11/09/feminist-porn-wars-new-and-improved-not-really/comment-page-1/#comment-54925 Arden Thu, 21 Aug 2008 04:46:49 +0000 http://www.wakingvixen.com/blog/?p=872#comment-54925 I think you're right about a lot of things, but I cant understand how getting cummed straight on the face isn't anything but degrading to a girl... It makes me grimace just to watch. First off, I've NEVER seen or heard of a girl ejaculating on a MALE'S face. I only see the guys shooting cum at the girl's face in all those thousands of porn videos. So that makes it pretty obvious to me that its not exactly equal treatment, and it definitely doesn't look respectful towards the girl at all. It also really makes the girl look ridiculously stupid and trashy, as if she was really that ignorant to what was going on and had absolutely no dignity and demand for more respectful treatment. I seriously want to know how could it be even remotely enjoyable to get on your knees and let some guy aim his cock at you, and squirt until your face is dripping with slimy cum? It looks like one of the most demeaning things you could do to a woman. Do these girls just IGNORE the fact thats it looks extremely degrading and try to act sexy anyway with their cum plastered faces? I think someone should take a photo of them while this is happening and show them later how dumb they appear. And do feminists honestly think this is fair and honorable treatment of women in porn films? I hope not... If anyone dared to suggest giving me cum facial, I would promptly smack some reality across their face. Its disappointing to see so many other women act exactly the way we don't want to be portrayed: stupid, ignorant, and unable to possess enough dignity and respect for themselves. Watching the trashy way they can behave just for money or loads of attention almost makes me ashamed to be someone from this sex. Come on! I'm sure we can all do A LOT better than that. I think you’re right about a lot of things, but I cant understand how getting cummed straight on the face isn’t anything but degrading to a girl… It makes me grimace just to watch.

First off, I’ve NEVER seen or heard of a girl ejaculating on a MALE’S face. I only see the guys shooting cum at the girl’s face in all those thousands of porn videos. So that makes it pretty obvious to me that its not exactly equal treatment, and it definitely doesn’t look respectful towards the girl at all. It also really makes the girl look ridiculously stupid and trashy, as if she was really that ignorant to what was going on and had absolutely no dignity and demand for more respectful treatment.

I seriously want to know how could it be even remotely enjoyable to get on your knees and let some guy aim his cock at you, and squirt until your face is dripping with slimy cum? It looks like one of the most demeaning things you could do to a woman.

Do these girls just IGNORE the fact thats it looks extremely degrading and try to act sexy anyway with their cum plastered faces? I think someone should take a photo of them while this is happening and show them later how dumb they appear.

And do feminists honestly think this is fair and honorable treatment of women in porn films?

I hope not… If anyone dared to suggest giving me cum facial, I would promptly smack some reality across their face. Its disappointing to see so many other women act exactly the way we don’t want to be portrayed: stupid, ignorant, and unable to possess enough dignity and respect for themselves. Watching the trashy way they can behave just for money or loads of attention almost makes me ashamed to be someone from this sex.
Come on! I’m sure we can all do A LOT better than that.

]]> By: Feigenblog » Wochenschau XVIII: Gebraucht-Jungfrauen, Tabus en masse http://www.wakingvixen.audaciaray.com/2007/11/09/feminist-porn-wars-new-and-improved-not-really/comment-page-1/#comment-49322 Feigenblog » Wochenschau XVIII: Gebraucht-Jungfrauen, Tabus en masse Thu, 20 Mar 2008 23:02:14 +0000 http://www.wakingvixen.com/blog/?p=872#comment-49322 [...] seien oder nicht. Protagonistinnen des Streits waren die Filmemacherinnen Erika Lust und Petra Joy; Audacia Ray, Bloggerin und selbst Pornofilmerin, fasst die Diskussion zusammen und bezieht Stellung. Lust vs. [...] [...] seien oder nicht. Protagonistinnen des Streits waren die Filmemacherinnen Erika Lust und Petra Joy; Audacia Ray, Bloggerin und selbst Pornofilmerin, fasst die Diskussion zusammen und bezieht Stellung. Lust vs. [...]

]]> By: Feminist Porn Wars - ErosBlog: The Sex Blog http://www.wakingvixen.audaciaray.com/2007/11/09/feminist-porn-wars-new-and-improved-not-really/comment-page-1/#comment-47012 Feminist Porn Wars - ErosBlog: The Sex Blog Thu, 21 Feb 2008 06:41:05 +0000 http://www.wakingvixen.com/blog/?p=872#comment-47012 [...] Still, the wars continue, whether I blog about them or not. Case in point: this account from Audacia Ray, about some flack she took for allowing oppressive patriarchal semen to touch women’s bodies in a porn movie she made: I was on a panel called “Good Porn for Good Girls” that featured some female porn directors. When I first found out about the panel, I was a little apprehensive - the idea of me being a good girl is kind of funny (to say the least), and it’s also annoying that despite the fact that I’ve never called The Bi Apple “porn for women,” other people enthusiastically slap that label on it. I’m a woman, and a self-identified feminist. Ergo, my porn must be for women. [...] [...] Still, the wars continue, whether I blog about them or not. Case in point: this account from Audacia Ray, about some flack she took for allowing oppressive patriarchal semen to touch women’s bodies in a porn movie she made: I was on a panel called “Good Porn for Good Girls” that featured some female porn directors. When I first found out about the panel, I was a little apprehensive – the idea of me being a good girl is kind of funny (to say the least), and it’s also annoying that despite the fact that I’ve never called The Bi Apple “porn for women,” other people enthusiastically slap that label on it. I’m a woman, and a self-identified feminist. Ergo, my porn must be for women. [...]

]]> By: The Art of Blowjob : Live Girl Review http://www.wakingvixen.audaciaray.com/2007/11/09/feminist-porn-wars-new-and-improved-not-really/comment-page-1/#comment-42754 The Art of Blowjob : Live Girl Review Sat, 02 Feb 2008 15:40:40 +0000 http://www.wakingvixen.com/blog/?p=872#comment-42754 [...] I wrote about this issue on my blog Waking Vixen, in a post titled Feminist Porn Wars (new and improved!) (not really) My post is a response to a post Erika Lust wrote: Can’t a feminist enjoy a blowjob?? And her post was sparked by something Petra Joy wrote on her blog (which doesn’t have permalinks for the posts) [...] [...] I wrote about this issue on my blog Waking Vixen, in a post titled Feminist Porn Wars (new and improved!) (not really) My post is a response to a post Erika Lust wrote: Can’t a feminist enjoy a blowjob?? And her post was sparked by something Petra Joy wrote on her blog (which doesn’t have permalinks for the posts) [...]

]]> By: Ms. Naughty Says Context is King (And I Agree) | The Art & Business of Making Erotic Films http://www.wakingvixen.audaciaray.com/2007/11/09/feminist-porn-wars-new-and-improved-not-really/comment-page-1/#comment-28236 Ms. Naughty Says Context is King (And I Agree) | The Art & Business of Making Erotic Films Fri, 30 Nov 2007 16:22:44 +0000 http://www.wakingvixen.com/blog/?p=872#comment-28236 [...] Anyway, Ms. Naughty, just back from bushwalking and wine-guzzling has added her two cents to the porn/blowjob/feminism debate in a post entitled Boring Blowjobs and Feminist Facials. This is the part that jumped out at me: “Can a facial ever be “feminist”? My answer is yes. As always, context is everything.” [...] [...] Anyway, Ms. Naughty, just back from bushwalking and wine-guzzling has added her two cents to the porn/blowjob/feminism debate in a post entitled Boring Blowjobs and Feminist Facials. This is the part that jumped out at me: “Can a facial ever be “feminist”? My answer is yes. As always, context is everything.” [...]

]]> By: Boring Blowjobs and Feminist Facials http://www.wakingvixen.audaciaray.com/2007/11/09/feminist-porn-wars-new-and-improved-not-really/comment-page-1/#comment-27977 Boring Blowjobs and Feminist Facials Fri, 30 Nov 2007 02:58:23 +0000 http://www.wakingvixen.com/blog/?p=872#comment-27977 [...] Petra made the comment while discussing her appearance at the Berlin Film Festival in a seminar called Good Porn for Good Girls. Her fellow panelists, Audacia Ray and Erika Lust, weren’t so impressed with this. Audacia made this post on her blog, and Erika wrote a long, angry post in defence of blowjobs. [...] [...] Petra made the comment while discussing her appearance at the Berlin Film Festival in a seminar called Good Porn for Good Girls. Her fellow panelists, Audacia Ray and Erika Lust, weren’t so impressed with this. Audacia made this post on her blog, and Erika wrote a long, angry post in defence of blowjobs. [...]

]]> By: Iko http://www.wakingvixen.audaciaray.com/2007/11/09/feminist-porn-wars-new-and-improved-not-really/comment-page-1/#comment-26652 Iko Sun, 25 Nov 2007 06:22:11 +0000 http://www.wakingvixen.com/blog/?p=872#comment-26652 Ms. Naughty wrote: "The money shot CAN be feminist, but so often it’s not, which I think is part of her point." But then should the times when the money shot IS feminist be painted with the same brush as when it isn't? I don't think so. I strongly agree that feminist porn is in the production rather than the end product. I've been told that certain pieces of literature are "womens' erotica", when it is nothing of the sort: it is what society EXPECTS womens' erotica to be. We need to get rid of the expectations for what is or isn't in feminist porn, because like sexism has done in the past, it puts us in well-defined boxes. Being a feminist means to have the freedom to be in or out of the box. Ms. Naughty wrote: “The money shot CAN be feminist, but so often it’s not, which I think is part of her point.”

But then should the times when the money shot IS feminist be painted with the same brush as when it isn’t? I don’t think so. I strongly agree that feminist porn is in the production rather than the end product. I’ve been told that certain pieces of literature are “womens’ erotica”, when it is nothing of the sort: it is what society EXPECTS womens’ erotica to be.

We need to get rid of the expectations for what is or isn’t in feminist porn, because like sexism has done in the past, it puts us in well-defined boxes. Being a feminist means to have the freedom to be in or out of the box.

]]> By: Ms Naughty http://www.wakingvixen.audaciaray.com/2007/11/09/feminist-porn-wars-new-and-improved-not-really/comment-page-1/#comment-25595 Ms Naughty Thu, 15 Nov 2007 23:33:42 +0000 http://www.wakingvixen.com/blog/?p=872#comment-25595 Thanks for the link and your great comments Dacia. I'm away from home at the moment so I haven't been able to participate in this debate. I will say briefly that I appreciate what you and Erika have to say while also supporting Petra's viewpoint. The money shot CAN be feminist, but so often it's not, which I think is part of her point. Striving to make an alternative women's pornography can often involve leaving things out. I don't like the money shot so I leave it out of my porn. That's not to say it's not legitimate elsewhere. Dammit, I want to write an essay but I have to go. :) Cheers Thanks for the link and your great comments Dacia. I’m away from home at the moment so I haven’t been able to participate in this debate. I will say briefly that I appreciate what you and Erika have to say while also supporting Petra’s viewpoint. The money shot CAN be feminist, but so often it’s not, which I think is part of her point. Striving to make an alternative women’s pornography can often involve leaving things out. I don’t like the money shot so I leave it out of my porn. That’s not to say it’s not legitimate elsewhere.

Dammit, I want to write an essay but I have to go. :) Cheers

]]> By: Being Amber Rhea » Blog Archive » Right ON http://www.wakingvixen.audaciaray.com/2007/11/09/feminist-porn-wars-new-and-improved-not-really/comment-page-1/#comment-25060 Being Amber Rhea » Blog Archive » Right ON Sat, 10 Nov 2007 14:33:53 +0000 http://www.wakingvixen.com/blog/?p=872#comment-25060 [...] I linked to Dacia’s latest post about “feminist porn” in my del.cio.us links yesterday, but I had such a “yes yes YES that’s IT!” reaction to it that I feel compelled to quote liberally here… To me, making feminist porn is not about what is actually shown on screen and much more about what is happening on the production end of things. This is very clearly an expression of my years working in the sex industry and working for sex workers’ rights, but like Petra says in the beginning of this paragraph, “our tastes on what we find sexy in the bedroom or on film differ.” We can have a whole argument about the nurture and nature of “taste” - but I don’t think liking or not liking specific acts can make or break a feminist. [...] [...] I linked to Dacia’s latest post about “feminist porn” in my del.cio.us links yesterday, but I had such a “yes yes YES that’s IT!” reaction to it that I feel compelled to quote liberally here… To me, making feminist porn is not about what is actually shown on screen and much more about what is happening on the production end of things. This is very clearly an expression of my years working in the sex industry and working for sex workers’ rights, but like Petra says in the beginning of this paragraph, “our tastes on what we find sexy in the bedroom or on film differ.” We can have a whole argument about the nurture and nature of “taste” – but I don’t think liking or not liking specific acts can make or break a feminist. [...]

]]> By: armando http://www.wakingvixen.audaciaray.com/2007/11/09/feminist-porn-wars-new-and-improved-not-really/comment-page-1/#comment-25023 armando Sat, 10 Nov 2007 06:50:06 +0000 http://www.wakingvixen.com/blog/?p=872#comment-25023 hey i think that all sex is good sex as long as both or all people enjoy themselves hey i think that all sex is good sex as long as both or all people enjoy themselves

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